Movecam D204

[Patrick Moore]

I called them, and they said "Yes we stole those ideas, and we have cut a check for Charles King in the amount of 1 Million Dollars!"

just kidding

[Charles King]

Hi guys,

I read the comment about Glidecam stealing ideas from this forum, so I contacted them and asked them for a comment on this accusation.

Here's a reply from Martin Stevens:

"When certain forum members or moderators come to the conclusion that major manufactures find ideas within their posts it is a bit disconcerting, especially when the assumed style of class three lever in question can be found in numerous desk lamps, CRT and LCD monitor support arms, earth moving machines etc. etc. and also in thousands of patents of machines that use springs to create leverage. A class three lever is one of the "basic" machines, and is hardly new."

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/physics/machines/Levers.shtml

Pascal

Pascal, they missed one important feedback. The arm adjustment attachment in thier Glidecam smooth shooter arm. This one they did not comment about did they? Then again, no manufacture will come out and say anything like they may have used the idea from here. It does not matter at all because it is not that important, just the idea of them skimping throught the many ideas on this website alone is testiment that HBS members ideas are worth the look. I agree with them that the basic idea or function is universal but the design concept is another thing. Heck...Even Steadicam used the idea of the concept that has been around for centries...but it is the design concept in which they are conveyed.

[konstantinos Tyrin]

Exactly spot on Charles.
I personaly remember someone I dont like very much in the steadicam forum warning me not to use a spiral cable in a possible sled productiopn design because its patended from Garrett.
i remember spiral cables for my guitar from the age of 7.
Also the adjustment of the angle of the spring like early sks and provid, and Iam talkig about the adjusting mechanism was in use for other machines, but it was patended for steadicam arn.
Also the roll cages for remote heads are in use for at least 10 years but for steadicam they are patended to be used on a sled----allien...
So its just other ideas that give you an idea and you make something new and then you patend it like its something from space.
I have personaly placed a roll axis on my sk2 sled 8-9 years ago and made a music video.
At the time I knew nothing about the allien but I HAD OPERATED remote heads with roll so I said why not.
It didnt balance nice because I didnt made it modular, and there was no gyro sensors.
The funny thing is that when I have mention it to another operator at the time he said noooo dont mess up with remotes and stuff, steadicam is made to be mechanical and simple in stabilizing, and this guy who apparently is in my oppinnion one of the greatest ops I have ever seen, 8 years after he bought  the allien revolution---I dont quite know if i CONCIDER THIS AS TO BE A LUCKY BUY....
So patents are not always something that hasnt done before ever, but something that by changing it and placing iot to something different is a new concept.
And my last question is....why glidecam didnt use this design from the very start and choose to go with the 3a style arm which it was an expired patent?
Why now and why risk being accused of copying with the 3a style if they were positive that this is working as well and its also free?
Its all money layers and profits .
For me its all the same story coming in circles.
So now Charles that you are going to be a millionere what present are you gonna buy me? he he he he
Just in case you think wrong I have also got the idea of this design from the pro geometry only I had some more mecanisms for feature adjustments apart of extension springs..

[Job Scholtze]

The funny thing is that when I have mention it to another operator at the time he said noooo dont mess up with remotes and stuff, steadicam is made to be mechanical and simple in stabilizing,

He was right in that comment, more then he knew at the time.

[konstantinos Tyrin]

ok maybe is time now to stop about all these and start the review again.
So here is the new vest they are going to introduce and its not yet finished. its aircool and they cooperate with a japanese company who owns the aircool patent.
I know nothing about it and I dont have a comment.It sounds like a good idea with all that swetting when operating

http://www.movcam.com/aircool-vest/aircool-vest.html

Next week I will be starting hopefully with some videos to show you all the features of the d204.
Take care

Constantine

[Charles King]

Looks interesting...

[Thanh Nguyen]

Hey congla on your new baby. Afew month ago i make a post asking which one i should get for my rig and movcam is one of my selection too but i end up not buy it, and now i'm getting a used v25 it on the way here. The 204 is not listed on there website only knight D202 and they take forever to reply email i have to send them like 5 different way of email to get one answer about how much it cost i think they said some thing about $8900 for the D202 so If you don't mind pm me how much you pay for it i know they are different price range but just looking at your picture just wondering how much that cost. I had a friend own a machine shop(the bad thing is he couldn't do any steadicam part for me becuase it too "complicated")  and i was asking about a bearing(i'm trying to invision the MKV-AR, that what the bearing are for) and he mention to get the bearing that made in japan dont get the one that made in china he said because the steel that made in china are not hard enough ("young steel" he said) so i don't know about that. cause i dont have one to tell. But good for you. I want one myself. heheheh maybe later

[konstantinos Tyrin]

hi.I cannot comment about japenesse or chinese steel.I have used chinese bearings in the past and skf german barings and I had no problems with both.What Iam going to do is write them to pm a price list of all products.Its a bit tricky cause they have dealers in some countries and not in others so that changes the price a bit.Thank you.
Constantine

[konstantinos Tyrin]

arm test.

wiwth a camera load of 5.3 kilos thats 11.68 lb  from middle boom range adjusted it needs around 6.5 to 7 lb to lift or push to top or bottom possition. thats what the weight scale showed ruffly.
so my statement about 3-4 lb was not accurate as that was a guess of the feel in my arms and it felt light propably spliting this number in both hands or so.
i dont know if this number will rise or drop or stay the same with heavier camera loads. i will tell you later in the week.
job could you tell me if you know whats the 3as push pull force if you know? i read it once somewhere on the steadicam forum but i cant find it .
or any other comparisson with other arms?

thanks

constantine

[konstantinos Tyrin]

today I have tryed the hdsdi in out with an f900 and it works fine.
So job yes this works as well
Also dynamic balance is very easy to achieeve with this rig.
I have run it with my new amita batteries 200-2 of them at battery module- so I have about ..... 27 amps of power down there... will I recharge ever again

[Charles King]

amita batteries? What type of batteries are these?

[konstantinos Tyrin]

http://www.amitatech.com/product-Camera.htm
amita is the company, they make loads of bats for any use including cameras and they are considerable cheap , very well made batteries and charger.For the price I got 3 X 200 W Bats I could only buy 3 x 95 sonys not to speak about the charger.
regards
constantine