Another Stabilizer Comapany to hit the market - Movcam

[Charles King]

Check it out. I'll tell you one thing. There were definatley inspiration involved from every camera maker on the planet Check it out and you'll know what I mean. Check out their back mount too.

Movcam

[Tom Wills]

My goodness. I'd say "inspiration" is the overstatement of the century there!

Klassen harnesses, Steadicam Vests, 3A Arms (they even call their system the 3A!), V25 sleds, it goes on and on! The things people do boggle me sometimes.

[MikkoWilson]

I see some Flyer, G-series and SmoothShooter arms in there too. Just nuts.

And some JR in the handheld rig.

Dunno about most of the older tech, but for example that Iso-elestic "lift" adjustment is patent infringement.

- Mikko

[Phil Kindred]

The site appears to be gone.

[Leigh Wanstead]

Does anyone know the price for their system? I can't find that price information and the website does not work anymore.

TIA

Regards
Leigh

[frédéric Savard]

Hello Miko,

The patents of steadicam cover only the United States.

The adjustement of the arm, if she was patented is mentioned in No patent in United States by Steadicam. Make a research and you will see.

Well other product  offer stable  images and in a less price, but all the credit returns to Garrett Brown

Sorry for my English

[Charles King]

The site appears to be gone.

The website still works  Phil. Computer problems again?

[Tim Le]

The adjustement of the arm, if she was patented is mentioned in No patent in United States by Steadicam. Make a research and you will see.

Frederic, the adjustment of the arm using a jackscrew arrangement that is canted at an angle is definitely covered by Steadicam's current U.S. patent for the iso-elastic Master Arm. I've read that patent many times.

Btw, if you look at the legal notices on this manufacturer's site, they say their products are not available for sale in all countries (but they don't specify which ones). Seems to me that's a clue that they know they've infringed on certain patents and to get away with it they won't sale the product where the patents are in effect.

[frédéric Savard]

Thank's time for your precision

but the patend on the flyer arm is old, have you the right
number of the patend.

And mabe we can continu this discussion on a other topic?

[Phil Kindred]

I was able to find the Movcam site through a search --it certainly is a knockoff of better stabilizers.  There is a thread on the Steadicam Forum that  states it looks good and just plain old doesn't work right.

[constantine tirint]

Thereis also another chinese company that makes a copy of the old 3a rig.
My oppinion is this .
First if this is the first try of movcam copying or not copying well..they can only get better and maybe one day innovating.
As about this cheap labor thing...well ..in other industries for instance clothing or shoes a lot of europian or us manufacturers took their industries in asian countries for cheap labor and increesment of their profets, but there is a but here guys ...concider how many 6-10 -14 year old kids work for almost nothing in these countrie to make the products some of us including myselve are wearing daily?
China is concentrating taking over the market right now, as someone in the steadicam forum said same happen with japan and they have grown large and they have brains too.
Maybe its chinas turn now. today they copy, tommorrow the progress, and get innovative for general bennefit.
Also there are some people in pure countries that could never dream of using a steadicam or a crane or other goodies to make a film and to be straight I think that isnt fair so these people can be beneffit from this.
The price of a steadicam is the same all around the world the rates and amount of work for an operator is very different.
So here you go.
I certainly do not under estimate these guys, I just wish they could make their brains work a little bit more to produce something more original and there are many ways still left.
Maybe they will soon.
Progress comes quicly these days.
Garret Brown did give a lot of work to people all around the world with this wonderfull invantion though, dont you think? 

[Charles King]

Tottally agree with you. We all knew it was bound to happen. It was just a matter of time. Sorry guys China is on the roll and there's nothing we can do about it.
Nothing strange about it. after all. you might as well say that everything that is not a steadicam product is a copy. Would you like me to list all of them?  Regardless, it's the quality of any high end rigs that separates it from the other companies. We all know that. So there can be a hundred more but if the quality is lacking then there is no need for the high end market to worry. 
That's why it's a good idea for people to try all and then make their own assessment. It's already been said many times.

I personally say, let them come but at the end of the day, it's quality and performance that out weighs the masses. Now you all must agree on that.  The lower end market can probably gain from these companies but again; when the buyers realize the compromise of some of these products they will slowly turn to wards Quality and Performance. So don't sweat it guys. Life goes on and like Digimage said, The Chinese are coming whether you like it or not. Like Constantine said, they will perfect it and even become more innovative as time goes by.

Then again, the Chinese have always survived such clashes as in due time they will out outweigh the cost that it takes to make these devices. It's been like this for many many years. So don't rule them out...

[Charles King]

Thank's time for your precision

but the patend on the flyer arm is old, have you the right
number of the patend.

And mabe we can continu this discussion on a other topic?

Sorry to say Frédéric. The vertical adjustment of the steadicam Mikko mention is still in effect in the US and will be in whole of Europe. As a matter of fact the Tiffen lawers or Garrett's lawers are about to prosecute a company in Germany for infridgement. I noticed that you hae such an adjustment on your arm.

[frédéric Savard]

Hi Charles,

Yes we have a adjustement in our arm,we not infringement steadicam patent.

[Charles King]

Hi Charles,

Yes we have a adjustement in our arm,we not infringement steadicam patent.

If it is the vertical adjustment than you are. Could you show me the link to this particular patent please and when did the patent go out? I'm curious to know of your findings. It probably wasn't in effect in europe but it will be according to sources.