Artemis dv-pro or the flyer of Tiffen

[Eran Dan]

hello there:
any one have an Idea how much the system v25 weight when it's on your body compare  to the flyer? Is it havier or the same?
Thank's
eran dan

[Charles King]

hello there:
any one have an Idea how much the system v25 weight when it's on your body compare  to the flyer? Is it havier or the same?
Thank's
eran dan

The weight of the V25 is more, something around 9kg which translate to about 20lbs.

[Tom Wills]

The v25 is simply a knock out, the most bang for the buck. Period.
The flyer is nice but won't fly heavier cameras. Simple, if i need more space i buy a bigger car. I wont stick to one brand, there are far more out there. I have owned 2 steadicams and have the glidecam gold for 2 years now. Its my main living, so i don't fly crappy stuff. I cant, i need the best, but not the most expensive rigs. The arm of the v25 is the smaller version of the gold. And the gold arm is the 3a style arm. A lot of Prof ops still prefer the 3a arm style, and why not, it preforms great. Do you want to be a member of the steadicam community and pay your ars of, go ahead. Ore just make a living, in that case, look at all the brands, try them and i guess you will find out that for the 8 k you want to spend, the v25 gives you the most for the buck.

In the 2 years i fly with them, not even one client asked me why i have the glidecam instead of the steadicam. Its the result the are intressed in. I make the same shots with the gold as with the provid ore the elite i used to fly. No difference. I fly since 1997, so i hope that i know what i am talking about.

Now i am gonna step out of this discussion, good luck choosing.

Job

I wasn't saying that the Glidecam is worse than the Flyer, in fact, I believe that the two are on about even footing. Neither are by any means the best out there. They both could use some nice upgrades. (I'd love to see a bigger capacity Flyer arm and an extendable post Dynamic Balance adjustable sled) I just think that if you're flying really small cameras, the V25 is overkill, and for really big cameras, the Flyer is way underdone. They're not really made to be competitors, as they both do fill different markets.

[michael stevenson]

Tom,

I hate to cloud the issue with the facts, but on what experience do you base the above statements on. Have you ever worked with or handled either device? I don't think you could make those comments by looking at pictures/specs only.

Michael

[Job Scholtze]

(I'd love to see a bigger capacity Flyer arm and an extendable post Dynamic Balance adjustable sled)

Well, i can see that you know what you are talking about. Extendable post with that diameter, interesting. 
Flying heavier camera's on the flyer with that post diameter, interesting.

And what kind of upgrades do you like to see on the V25?
O and

They're not really made to be competitors, as they both do fill different markets.

The are almost in the same pricerange. Sort of like a mini cooper for 6999 ore a mercedes for 7999.
Hmmmmm, what should i do

[Leigh Wanstead]

Hi Job,

It seems that you have inside knowledge about glidecam. Do you know who have a demo video shot using v25 on the web for free download? I just want to see through my own eyes the beauty of glidecam v25. I prefer that that demo video was shot by an experienced operator.

TIA

Regards
Leigh

(I'd love to see a bigger capacity Flyer arm and an extendable post Dynamic Balance adjustable sled)

Well, i can see that you know what you are talking about. Extendable post with that diameter, interesting. 
Flying heavier camera's on the flyer with that post diameter, interesting.

And what kind of upgrades do you like to see on the V25?
O and

They're not really made to be competitors, as they both do fill different markets.

The are almost in the same pricerange. Sort of like a mini cooper for 6999 ore a mercedes for 7999.
Hmmmmm, what should i do

[Job Scholtze]

Well, i did some demo work for them and did fly it for 6 day's. It really fell like flying the Gold. I did,nt shot any footage, only with my gold. But i am gonna order one myself as my running rig and than i Will have plenty of footage for you. I only have one demo on my website, cose of time, but i really need to edit some clips. Same sort of arm and gimbal, different sled.

[Leigh Wanstead]

Hi Job,

I look forward to your video. Once you finish your video, just post to this thread, as I will get "Notify me of replies".

TIA

Regards
Leigh

Well, i did some demo work for them and did fly it for 6 day's. It really fell like flying the Gold. I did,nt shot any footage, only with my gold. But i am gonna order one myself as my running rig and than i Will have plenty of footage for you. I only have one demo on my website, cose of time, but i really need to edit some clips. Same sort of arm and gimbal, different sled.

[Charles King]

Job, don't post the demo clip in this forum. Make a new post or just put it in the Review section. 

[Job Scholtze]

Job, don't post the demo clip in this forum. Make a new post or just put it in the Review section. 

Well, if its done, i'll send it to you, so you can do whatever you like with it

[Leigh Wanstead]

Hi Job,

May I ask how many years experience you have with stabilizer?

TIA

Regards
Leigh

Job, don't post the demo clip in this forum. Make a new post or just put it in the Review section. 

Well, if its done, i'll send it to you, so you can do whatever you like with it

[Job Scholtze]

Hi Job,

May I ask how many years experience you have with stabilizer?

TIA

Regards
Leigh

Almost 9 years

[Robert Eder]

i have been reading  threw this post for a while now.
job, i think we met at the ibc05 at the glidecam booth.
nice to see you entered the hbs board!

i think the flyer and that sachtler rig (i´ve tried them both for several times) play in the same league. the flyer wins this competition and leaves the sachtler dv rig far beyond the flyer. the sachtler is even more expansive, tztztz... 

the only thing the v25 and the flyer/sachtler rig share is the price! the build quality of the glidecam is great, it has proper junction boxes a much better adjustability, a bigger (i prefer that) post diameter and a great arm, ok, here the flyer arm performs better but is NOT isoelastic and i cannot carry the weight of the v25 arm (which is also not isoelastic) . then the flyer arm comes with a special socket block; the v25 can (separately) be purchased with a proper standart socket block. so you can attach it to a walter klassen harness, hardmount or anything else with a standart socketblock. in my opinion this is a great advantage.

the v25 is something between the flyer and the archer but closer to the archer than to the flyer. this for the price of a flyer...

what i do not like about the v25 is the cheap looking gimbal whith the foam about the handle, but even the steadicam archer comes with the old gimbal version (but with the greatest arm i´ve ever flown    )

i would definately go for the v25 with a standart socketblock if i would like to spend 8k€.

greetings, robert

[Eran Dan]

the thing is that I was checking for the prices on both and the v25 is 8k just for the 1th 100 pieces and then it will go up to 10k and then I need to add the shipping over seas $250 plus a bag and some other extras will make it 11k compare the flyer that I can buy here in Israel for $6800 including everything. so it is not the same price no more
Eran

[Charles King]

Then I would stick to the flyer. It's one helluva system. If you had to pay so much of the shipping cost than I'd say go for the flyer. You would not be disappointed. As long as you're not planning on flying anything heavy than the max weight. That think flies a film camera, a 235 I think. So sweet it was to fly. See some pics in the expo gallery on HBS.

Don't they have a Glidecam sales representive where you live?